Hey im new

[Dr.Claw]

Hey guys, Ive pretty much been libertarian ever since i realized what laws and capitalism were, I've only recently identified myself as an anarchist, only because i misunderstood what anarchy really was.

[Sprocket Hole]

Like a.. free market libertarian? 0_o
As in the USA Libertarian party?

[griffjam]

no, s/he means libertarian as in anarchist. "right"-libertarians exist only in the U.S.

[More Fire for the People]

no, s/he means libertarian as in anarchist. "right"-libertarians exist only in the U.S.
No they exist in Europe as well but the rightfully occupy a space bordering right-wing nutjob and mentally unsound. However, in the United States not only are these people taken seriously, but they dominate culturally and pretty much every 'cool', 'independent', and 'intellectual' student considers themselves a libertarian.

[Blackscare]

No they exist in Europe as well but the rightfully occupy a space bordering right-wing nutjob and mentally unsound. However, in the United States not only are these people taken seriously, but they dominate culturally and pretty much every 'cool', 'independent', and 'intellectual' student considers themselves a libertarian.


Are you out of your fucking tree? Have you ever even *BEEN* to the US?

That is beyond stupid.

Libertarians are a totally marginal group in almost every part of the country, except in sparsely populated places like Montana and Alaska.

And that isn't even slightly true for students, either. Unless you count the kids who just have a general almost apolitical hatred for 'the man' with no thought to economic systems like communism. But even still, that general group (that is actually quite small, because most students do have firm beliefs if they bother to oppose the state at all) does not identify as libertarian.

Most americans, even the majority of capitalists, see that while the government isn't good, capitalism without government is madness.

I hate when people not only generalize americans, but seem to be pulling shit out of their asses.

[Blackscare]

How could they dominate? They barely win any races for petty offices in montana.

Hmm, they really dominate, do they? pshh, yea right.

People in america don't like the government over stepping it's bounds, but that isn't close to describing what the libertarians are talking about.

[More Fire for the People]

:rolleyes: Yeah, it's not like I was born in raised in the United States (Mid-South).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_movement_in_the_United_States

Most actors consider themselves libertarians and I don't know if you've strolled on to a campus lately but (and especially here) most 'rebels' are libertarians aka business majors aka future burger-flippers.

This too,
http://www.theadvocates.org/celebrities.html

[Blackscare]

Many celebrities are Scientologists, what does that have to do with anything? Even if you're from the US, it doesn't mean your claims that libertarian views are dominant are true. True, many americans have views that fall within the general "libertarian" mindset (not meaning right or left, just anti-government), but that's a far cry from embracing the libertarian platform.

[More Fire for the People]

Dominate is an exageration on my part, perhaps a better term would be disproportionate representation.

[Blackscare]

Dominate is an exageration on my part, perhaps a better term would be disproportionate representation.

Fair enough, but I still don't see it. Sure, Ron Paul was pretty popular for a while, but that mainly came from people's dissatisfaction with either major party's leading figures in the last election. So any candidate that wasn't a total loony on social issues looked like a good alternative, hence RP's popularity.

[More Fire for the People]

Libertarians are pop culture heroes... Bill Maher much? (Though he's drifted leftward)
And every economic debate seems like Austrians v Chicago School.

[Blackscare]

The republicans are, of course, a massive party, and they do have a lot of de-regulatory policies. To me, they represent the popular "small government" attitude the most. But I think they are still far from libertarians, who want almost no government, no national park services, etc. Republicans are just as wrong, but much more moderate (at least in what they're saying to the cameras these days).

I understand what you mean as far as general political attitudes of the republicans, but it's unfair to paint most of the country as belonging to that nutty fucking wing of people. I shudder to think what this country would be like with those people in charge O_o

[Sprocket Hole]

Ok.. I wasn't sure.

Anyways, Libertarians in my parts a rare to come by. I've met like three people who voted 3rd party..
Two of em where all for RP but voted for Nader. Then there was a pastor who voted Constitution party.

Sigh.. That's as radical it get's out here..

Back on topic..

Welcome to the boards Dr.Claw :)

[kiki75]

Welcome, Dr. Claw! I think the transition from libertarian to anarchist makes perfect sense.