David Irving coming to Ireland

[Andropov]

Ive just heard that the holocaust denier will be coming to Galway in February some time. The date has yet to be confirmed, he will be speaking at NUIG campus. All opposition to this fascist will be needed as word is that he will be shipping in Neo-Nazi's from around Ireland and Birtain in support.

[PRC-UTE]

let's introduce him to the boys!

[ls]

I can't believe the shitty courts system didn't get the bastard locked up.

The German authorities issued an EU arrest warrant but it didn't go through.

There is only one solution left: lynch the fucker.

[Batman]

Ive just heard that the holocaust denier will be coming to Galway in February some time. The date has yet to be confirmed, he will be speaking at NUIG campus. All opposition to this fascist will be needed as word is that he will be shipping in Neo-Nazi's from around Ireland and Birtain in support.

Where'd you get that info from a chara?

[Melbourne Lefty]

There is only one solution left: lynch the fucker.


Do people actually take this nut seriously enough to make him worth killing?

Hes a laughing stock, and rightfully so.

[Killfacer]

You can't arrest people for denying the holocaust, it's despicable.

[Woland]

Yes, you can, here in Germany it's a crime. That's why they issued the arrest warrant.

[JimmyJazz]

Erm, I'm pretty sure he meant that you shouldn't.

And I tend to agree: I'm confused by radical leftists who advocate increased powers for the politically moderate powers-that-be to clamp down on whomever they deem to be "extremist". That sounds like an inevitable backfire in the making.

[ls]

Dunno what so many people in here's problem is.

David Irving is scum and should be treated like scum at every opportunity. His outright rewriting of history and the fact he got his just desserts, when he was bankrupted should serve to show you why he should get no platform. Anyone that believes that so many people deserved to die should get no platform ever, ever.

By doing things like getting onto the Melbourne film festival he's increasing his popularity and the amount of people that know of him (they might buy his crap out of interest rather than agreement even though they condemn it, but it gets him money).

I hope he chokes.

[Melbourne Lefty]

And I tend to agree: I'm confused by radical leftists who advocate increased powers for the politically moderate powers-that-be to clamp down on whomever they deem to be "extremist". That sounds like an inevitable backfire in the making.


Holocaust denial should be opposed by left wing groups out on the streets, not by letting the capitalist state gain more power to prosecute those it finds politically unattractive.

This is seen as being too weak a stance by some, but its the RIGHT stance.

[Holden Caulfield]

Holocaust denial should be opposed by left wing groups out on the streets, not by letting the capitalist state gain more power to prosecute those it finds politically unattractive.

yeah, an occupation of the place he will talk, and/or blocking the doors would be a good idea most people could take part in

[Killfacer]

Erm, I'm pretty sure he meant that you shouldn't.


Yes, that is what i was saying.

[1968]

Thursday 19th March is the provisional date.

[Sasha]

holcaust denial is a form of racism and although i dont regonise the states laws i don't mind either if they use it to lock/shut up some of my enemies.
als fair in love and war.

[JimmyJazz]

Holocaust denial should be opposed by left wing groups out on the streets, not by letting the capitalist state gain more power to prosecute those it finds politically unattractive.

This is seen as being too weak a stance by some, but its the RIGHT stance.

yep.


A moralizing Philistine’s favorite method is the lumping of reaction’s conduct with that of revolution. He achieves success in this device through recourse to formal analogies. To him czarism and Bolshevism are twins. Twins are likewise discovered in fascism and communism. An inventory is compiled of the common features in Catholicism – or more specifically, Jesuitism – and Bolshevism. Hitler and Mussolini, utilizing from their side exactly the same method, disclose that liberalism, democracy, and Bolshevism represent merely different manifestations of one and the same evil. The conception that Stalinism and Trotskyism are “essentially” one and the same now enjoys the joint approval of liberals, democrats, devout Catholics, idealists, pragmatists, and anarchists. If the Stalinists are unable to adhere to this “People’s Front”, then it is only because they are accidentally occupied with the extermination of Trotskyists.

The fundamental feature of these approchements and similitudes lies in their completely ignoring the material foundation of the various currents, that is, their class nature and by that token their objective historical role. Instead they evaluate and classify different currents according to some external and secondary manifestation, most often according to their relation to one or another abstract principle which for the given classifier has a special professional value. Thus to the Roman pope Freemasons and Darwinists, Marxists and anarchists are twins because all of them sacrilegiously deny the immaculate conception. To Hitler, liberalism and Marxism are twins because they ignore “blood and honor”. To a democrat, fascism and Bolshevism are twins because they do not bow before universal suffrage. And so forth.

Undoubtedly the currents grouped above have certain common features. But the gist of the matter lies in the fact that the evolution of mankind exhausts itself neither by universal suffrage, not by “blood and honor,” nor by the dogma of the immaculate con ception. The historical process signifies primarily the class struggle; moreover, different classes in the name of different aims may in certain instances utilize similar means. Essentially it cannot be otherwise. Armies in combat are always more or less symmetrical; were there nothing in common in their methods of struggle they could not inflict blows upon each other.

If an ignorant peasant or shopkeeper, understanding neither the origin nor the sense of the struggle between the proletariat and the bourgeoisie, discovers himself between the two fires, he will consider both belligerent camps with equal hatred. And who are all these democratic moralists? Ideologists of intermediary layers who have fallen, or are in fear of falling between the two fires. The chief traits of the prophets of this type are alienism to great historical movements, a hardened conservative mentality, smug narrowness, and a most primitive political cowardice. More than anything moralists wish that history should leave them in peace with their petty books, little magazines, subscribers, common sense, and moral copy books. But history does not leave them in peace. It cuffs them now from the left, now from the right. Clearly – revolution and reaction, Czarism and Bolshevism, communism and fascism, Stalinism and Trotskyism – are all twins. Whoever doubts this may feel the symmetrical skull bumps upon both the right and left sides of these very moralists.

Street-level anti-fascism is an attack on the moderate center every bit as much as it is an attack on the radical right. We have everything to gain from (1) preventing the moderate/liberal center from effectively opposing the rise of neo-fascist movements, and then (2) effectively opposing them ourselves. In the public's eyes it makes us appear relevant and the ruling moderates appear incompetent. Simultaneously we are opposing both the radical right and the uber-individualists who try to paint fascism and communism as two sides of the same totalitarian coin; that's kind of hard to argue when the papers contain stories about leftists and fascists in open conflict.

[Melbourne Lefty]

Thus to the Roman pope Freemasons and Darwinists, Marxists and anarchists are twins because all of them sacrilegiously deny the immaculate conception. To Hitler, liberalism and Marxism are twins because they ignore “blood and honor”. To a democrat, fascism and Bolshevism are twins because they do not bow before universal suffrage. And so forth.

Wow I had never read that before, it sounds pretty damn right to me.



Street-level anti-fascism is an attack on the moderate center every bit as much as it is an attack on the radical right. We have everything to gain from (1) preventing the moderate/liberal center from effectively opposing the rise of neo-fascist movements, and then (2) effectively opposing them ourselves. In the public's eyes it makes us appear relevant and the ruling moderates appear incompetent. Simultaneously we are opposing both the radical right and the uber-individualists who try to paint fascism and communism as two sides of the same totalitarian coin; that's kind of hard to argue when the papers contain stories about leftists and fascists in open conflict.



very true.

Street activism against Irving wont achieve much against Irving, hes a lunatic who only a few hundred people worldwide listen to anyway.

But street organisation is never a bad idea, particularly when it can be moulded to make the established order look soft and incompetant.