Communism: The Final Synthesis?

[Immanuel Kant]

How does Marxism justify that Communism will, in Hegelian terms, be the final historical synthesis? Without the concept of a Geist surely the forces of technology will lead inevitably to its degeneration into thesis and antithesis? How is Communism supposed to suddenly halt the historical dialectical process?

[mikelepore]

Forget the thesis-antithesis gibberish. Use common sense. If society's new policy were to be that we're not going to have people divided into classes anymore, why wouldn't that be the final condition forever -- people not divided into classes anymore?

[KC]

Communism doesn't halt any historical processes. After the abolition of class society history will just develop along different lines.

[AIM Correspondent]

Communism doesn't halt any historical processes. After the abolition of class society history will just develop along different lines.

I agree :) Nice ddiscussion, comrades!!!

[Bud Struggle]

Communism doesn't halt any historical processes. After the abolition of class society history will just develop along different lines.

But what's to say class doesn't wiggle it's way back into the world? ;)

[nuisance]

But what's to say class doesn't wiggle it's way back into the world? ;)
Perhaps the socialisation of industry?
:closedeyes:

[trivas7]

But what's to say class doesn't wiggle it's way back into the world? ;)
I haven't seen any current of pent-up nostalgia for a return to kings and peasants, Tom. I suspect the same given an entirely different future social structure.:)

[WhitemageofDOOM]

I haven't seen any current of pent-up nostalgia for a return to kings and peasants, Tom. I suspect the same given any entirely different future social structure.:)

Libertarians? Objectivists? Republicans?
Sure they mask it in free market rhetoric, but what they want is to return the economy to feudalism. While it's highly unlikely they will drag us back to feudalism, they do call for it's return.

[last_angry_man]

How does Marxism justify that Communism will, in Hegelian terms, be the final historical synthesis? Without the concept of a Geist surely the forces of technology will lead inevitably to its degeneration into thesis and antithesis? How is Communism supposed to suddenly halt the historical dialectical process?

I hate to sound like just another anti-intellectual American, but posts like this drive more people away from the movement than anything else I can think of. Similar to the way that every time I see "What is Bob Avakian's New Synthesis"? Who knows what these people are talking about and why would anyone care? How are you going to feed and clothe people in a post capitalist society and where will the shared services come from (fire dept, hospitals, sewage treatment, etc.) Answer these questions in plain English and leave the 'thesis / anti-thesis / new synthesis' BS to the freshman history classes.

[danyboy27]

How does Marxism justify that Communism will, in Hegelian terms, be the final historical synthesis? Without the concept of a Geist surely the forces of technology will lead inevitably to its degeneration into thesis and antithesis? How is Communism supposed to suddenly halt the historical dialectical process?

I hate to sound like just another anti-intellectual American, but posts like this drive more people away from the movement than anything else I can think of. Similar to the way that every time I see "What is Bob Avakian's New Synthesis"? Who knows what these people are talking about and why would anyone care? How are you going to feed and clothe people in a post capitalist society and where will the shared services come from (fire dept, hospitals, sewage treatment, etc.) Answer these questions in plain English and leave the 'thesis / anti-thesis / new synthesis' BS to the freshman history classes.

i fully agree with him on that.

[KC]

Libertarians? Objectivists? Republicans?
Sure they mask it in free market rhetoric, but what they want is to return the economy to feudalism. While it's highly unlikely they will drag us back to feudalism, they do call for it's return.

No they don't. Nobody calls for a return to the feudalistic mode of production.

[Enragé]

Bourgeois (thesis) - Proletariate (anti-thesis) - Communism (synthesis, classless).

And yes, every end of history really isnt an end of history but the beginning of a new chapter of history, i.e there is no such thing as the final historical synthesis (except perhaps when we've reached the point where everyone can shape the world around him/her in the blink of an eye, to objectivate what's inside, etc. as i believe some situationists theorized as the complete ending of every concievable form of alienation - but i could be wrong about that)

[Killfacer]

How does Marxism justify that Communism will, in Hegelian terms, be the final historical synthesis? Without the concept of a Geist surely the forces of technology will lead inevitably to its degeneration into thesis and antithesis? How is Communism supposed to suddenly halt the historical dialectical process?

I hate to sound like just another anti-intellectual American, but posts like this drive more people away from the movement than anything else I can think of. Similar to the way that every time I see "What is Bob Avakian's New Synthesis"? Who knows what these people are talking about and why would anyone care? How are you going to feed and clothe people in a post capitalist society and where will the shared services come from (fire dept, hospitals, sewage treatment, etc.) Answer these questions in plain English and leave the 'thesis / anti-thesis / new synthesis' BS to the freshman history classes.

Correct.