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allix
25th January 2009, 23:52
A friend of mine from Denmark explains to me how class is a hardly used term accept by marxist.

He explains to me that because of their wide welfare system anyone can have access to health care, education (any level ) unemployment benefits which pays for food, a home etc that it eliminates what marx defined as class.

Of course in Denmark as my friend rightly agrees with me ,the workers do not have control even in the public sector over anything.

Should we marxist being looking at Denmark and the scandanvian countries differently as far as class?
Post-Something
26th January 2009, 16:04
Class is based on your relation to the means of production, not on your income or how easily you can access welfare. As long as you have a small group who control the factories, resources, land and other means of production, you will have those who need to sell their labour to earn their living. It is out of this basic contradiction that class struggle arises.
eyedrop
26th January 2009, 19:19
A friend of mine from Denmark explains to me how class is a hardly used term accept by marxist.

Of course in Denmark as my friend rightly agrees with me ,the workers do not have control even in the public sector over anything.

Should we marxist being looking at Denmark and the scandanvian countries differently as far as class?

Here (http://www.duo.uio.no/publ/iss/2008/70412/flemmen.pdf) (Norwegian, which he should be able to read since he is danish) is a Masters Degree-paper written on class in Norway, in which it is concluded;

*Positions in the economic upper class goes very much in accordance to family. The upper class manages to maintain their priviliges, it is not free flow between the classes.


Here (http://www.dagbladet.no/magasinet/2008/04/30/534051.html) is a newspaper article discussing it, also norwegian.




He explains to me that because of their wide welfare system anyone can have access to health care, education (any level ) unemployment benefits which pays for food, a home etc that it eliminates what marx defined as class.


Noone of this really has anything to do with class. A well treated slave is still a slave